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Contents

Agenda

  • Welcome & Agenda - 5
  • Actions report - 20
  • Overall plan - 15
  • S^2 status - 20
    • Docomo input on defect handling
  • S^3 status, progress, issues - 20
    • Release Start status
    • PDK status
  • Zoom2 plan update - 15
  • October F2F agenda -> discussion of a 2 day RC to include Workshops and/or WGs - 15
  • Comment on Working Groups

The following were not covered due to lack of time:

  • Non member PDKs (See atached material below)
  • Working Groups:
    • Quality WG report (See attached material below. The quality metrics will be reviewed as part of the f2f in Oct)
    • Packaging Tools WG status
    • Test WG status

Actions

Both Open and closed Actions have been updated with to reflect the output of the council meeting

Material

The following presentations were not covered but are available here for review by members. Please feel free to ask questions or make comments!

Minutes

Attendance

  • Symbian : Mark Skebels (Chair), Urmi Shah, Victor Palau, Nithya R
  • Digia: Petri Poikolainen
  • Elektrobit: Kim Aitto-oja
  • Fujitsu: Yoshiiku Hanai, Chandra Narayanasamy (Minutes with edits/additions by Mark)
  • Nokia: Riku Mettälä
  • NTT DoCoMo: Manabu Matsuura, Seishi Tsukada
  • Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications: Anders Josefsson
  • ST Ericsson: Philippe Peruset, Philippe Gaudillat
  • Texas Instruments: Laurent Le Gal, Moussa Belkhiter, Fred Blesser (Zoom2 presentation)
  • Teleca Chandra Challagonda, Ilkka Korhonen
  • Samsung No representative

Minutes

Existing Open Actions

See updated table in link in the Actions section above.

New actions appear in these minutes and have been incorporated into the actions table.

OVERALL PLAN - Mark & Victor

Summarised the situation of the overall S^n plan ( S^n_Release_plan.240909RC.v2 above) which was presented in the last RC meeting in Helsinki and that there were no adverse comments provided since by members.

Slide 3 of the plan has been filled out now to show two new captions representing the S^n Test & Quality plan and the Kits schedule. This now forms an overall view on the various plans which will contribute towards the subsequent releases tracked and monitored by the RC.

Attention was drawn particularly to slide 4 of the plan due to meeting time constraints, especially to note that there has been some revision on the estimates for the S^3 and S^4 release start milestones.

Riku (Nokia) also mentioned that it is possible that some added feature items might be submitted into mercurial after the release start milestone. These might be some features or sub features which would have been identified by package owners to be expedient to include as and when defect fixes may be submitted.

This also sparked a small discussion about tracking of features from Laurent Le Gal (TI) and it was decided that Urmi Shah (SF) would suggest a process to declare what potential features were further added if they were after release start. This resulted in a new action RC240909_2.

It was also mentioned that the potential release of an S^4 PDK would realistically be in Q4 of 2009.

S^2 STATUS - Mark & Victor

Mark and Victor then went through the S^2 status slide 7 ( S^n_Release_plan.240909RC.v2 above).

Helix did not honour the planned contribution date and so this is a TPIP issue which is being reviewed at the moment. EABI fonts and certificates are ok but LBS SUPL are undergoing some ongoing legal discussions. Chris Davidson (SF) is running with these issues.

It is estimated that the first official release of SF S^2 v2.0.0 to be in 2 weeks time. The plan is to include EABI in this.

DOCOMO INPUT ON DEFECT HANDLING

Manabu Matsuura (Docomo) gave a slide presentation (DefectFixPropagation(v1.2)toSF above) of Docomo’s current activities and plans regarding the S^2 baseline and defect feedback into the Docomo OPP(S) code line.

The key issue raised by Docomo was in understanding NOKIA’s intentions and commitments to providing information on major defects (showstopper defects) known by NOKIA so that Docomo has sight of showstopper issues.

NOKIA’s have committed to providing showstopper defects into Bugzilla however there does not seem to be a firm plan for providing this. Mark has added a new action to track this (RC240909_6).

It is also unlikely that Bugzilla would be populated with all Nokia defects. Although there is a tool available which theoretically could do this, the main issue is the need to ensure any Nokia business critical infromation is not made public.

Some of the reasons given being that package owners maintain internal bug tracking and until the community has formed a formal process together with package owners this subject may run for a while.

Riku also mentioned that the definition of 'showstopper' depends on where in the lifecycle a project is. It therefore was decided and agreed that a forum discussion will be set up to invite a broad base consensus on this subject. This is described in the new action RC240909_4. However, it is important that this discussion does not become a roadblock to Nokia providing a list of 'key' defects as soon as possible. A first cut could be a list of the CRITICAL and HIGH severity defects.

S^3 STATUS, PROGRESS, ISSUES - Victor & Mark

Victor talked through the presentation slide 9 (S^n_Release_plan.240909RC.v2 above) regarding the S^3 status.

W37 contribution was a substantial improvement over w35. We can build and boot the textshell on the QEMU emulator and he expects that most other issues to be sorted out shortly.

Package contributions and missing folders are the main problems at the moment and Victor has been working with NOKIA in clearing up outstanding issues in this area.

Mark asked Victor and Riku (NOKIA) on the confidence level of being able to solve contribution problems seen in wk 39. Riku said that there is a high degree of confidence in resolving the gaps in package contributions but there is still a chance that there will be some missing components. The issues we have seen up to now have been escalated in Nokia.

S^3 1st PDK expected to be in week 41. Victor clarified that graphics will not be compiled into the PDK release on wk 41. This was in answer to Moussa's (TI) query.

Victor will provide dates for steps 3 & 4 in his PDK plan.

RELEASE START STATUS

Mark referred to slide 12 (S^n_Release_plan.240909RC.v2 above) regarding this subject.

He pointed out that due to the contribution gaps in wk 35, the release start has been delayed. The release start will be reviewed over the next month and it is proposed to have this ratified at the f2f in October. The criteria needed to achieve this are described in the presentation.

The slide also shows the Zoom2 port of S^3 being Sept (which was a proposed date). Refer to Fred Blesser's (TI) presentation (see section on ZOOM2 PLAN UPDATE below).

PDK STATUS - Urmi

Urmi Shah presented the slide on non member SDK/PDKs (SDK_Status_20090923_Release_Council above).

Essentially a trial SDK for S^2 is now planned which is response to discussions in the last RC meeting reflecting Fujitsu/Docomo’s concerns. This will in effect be released after the 1st non member PDK release most likely at the beginning of Q4.

ZOOM2 PLAN UPDATE - Fred Blesser (TI)

Fred Blesser (TI) gave a presentation of TI’s Zoom2 - S^3 integration plans. The plan is comprehensively covered in the presentation attached – see TI_Partnership_proposal_plan_20090924_(2) above.

Essentially TI are proposing companies to become partners in integrating S^3 features onto the Zoom2 board and the terms are laid out in the presentation.

Fred mentioned that a few companies have already expressed interest in this opportunity and that more are welcomed and to approach TI. Fred is the main point of contact.

He also noted that partners will have access to board adaptation source to carry out baseport integration with the board. Community (non partners) would only receive binaries for their activities.

Timeline: w40 - ZoomSW v1.0 for partners; w41 - ZoomSW v1.0 (BSP in obj or src) for community; w44 - ZoomSW v2.0 (BSP+adaptations) available to the community.

Members are encouraged to review the presentation and get back to Fred with questions.

OCTOBER F2F AGENDA - Mark

The agenda and prep for the October meeting in London will be discussed via the members mailing list.

Mark put forward the possibility of having a two day RC meeting (which was originally suggested by Anders Josephsson of SEMC) and asked for opinions about it. More is to be discussed in the mailing list.

The main point being that the first day would typically be taken up by Working Groups or workshops to thrash out issues which would then be fed back in the main meeting the next day.

Chandra Narayanasamy did mention that if the issues to be thrashed in a f2f in the work groups are of high value then perhaps in principle it would be a good idea.

Mark is to conduct a discussion in the forums/mail to gauge opinions on this format.

NEW ACTIONS SUMMARY

The following is a list of new actions which had been created as a result of this meeting.

• RC240909_1 OPEN Due: 9 Oct 09 Owner: Laurent Le Gal (TI) Laurent to provide proposal for feature review and set up forum discussion. This is to gather community opinions on the issue of ‘what is tracked’ in the feature list by the Release Council.

• RC240909_2 OPEN Due: 9 Oct 09 Owner: Urmi Shah (SF) Develop a straw man proposal for handling submission of features after FC. It is expected that any features delivered after FC will not be Key Features.

• RC240909_3 OPEN Due: 22 Oct 09 Owner: Urmi Shah (SF) Provide high level plan for S^4 for review at Oct f2f. Make available 1 week before the f2f

• RC240909_4 OPEN Due: 2 Oct 09 Owner: Matsuura-san (Docomo) Start a forum to discuss showstopper defects. Main focus of this will be S^2 but definitions should apply generically to other releases

• RC240909_5 OPEN Due: 9 Oct 09 Owner: All members Members to put forward ideas for workshops to be held as part of the Oct f2f. Some suggestions: Generating, reviewing & managing the detailed feature set for a release; WG sessions (this may require other attendees from member companies depending on who has been nominated to sit on WGs); etc....

The following was added after the meeting:

• RC240909_6 OPEN Provide a list of 'showstopper' defects for S^2 in Bugzilla Due 23 Oct 09 Owner: Riku This was originally agreed by Nokia but is still outstanding hence the creation of this action to track. A plan is needed for this

UNPRESENTED MATERIAL

The Quality WG (QWG) material was not presented. Members are asked to review this and a slot will be included in the f2f agenda in October.

The QWG presentation includes the overall work done by this work group in defining quality metrics and their presentation with a second presentation of how the actual output may be presented.

NEXT MEETING

The next RC meeting will be on the 29th or 30th October- Face2Face at the SF site in London after the SEE. Assuming we have a 2 day meeting, we need to agree whether this runs from 28-29 Oct or 29-30 Oct.

Comments

Chan00 said...

Is it possible to table the status of test code contribution by Nokia please?

--Chan00 10:30, 22 September 2009 (BST)

Laurent legal said...

I propose to add following items to the agenda: 1/ Features list status: - Detailed Features list generation (using tool released by Victor) and its content from package owners backlog. Laurent to come with improvement proposal for RC review before sharing with FR&C and package owners - Process & implementation plan to baseline S^n features list at the end of roadmap phase and ratification process for updates

2/ S^4 1st PDK release plan update (reported to start in Q3/Q4 09 in Aug RC platform release plan)

Regards Laurent

--Laurent legal 11:03, 22 September 2009 (BST)

Matsuura said...

As discussed earlier between Mark, DOCOMO RC participants and SOSCO, we would like to add an item to the agenda. Please refer to the presentation I sent out to the mailing-list on the 23th.

We have briefly discussed this issue (see http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/index.php/RC/2009-05-20_RC_meeting), but I am thinking of further aligning our understanding on “showstopper defects” that Nokia (Riku) mentioned.

Regards, Matsuura

--Matsuura 13:41, 23 September 2009 (BST)

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